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		<title>By: Spotty</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/02/02/purple-prose-not-a-problem/comment-page-1#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Spotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I&#039;ve never read Hemmingway.

My real problem comes when I visualise a scene in my mind... Then don&#039;t quite get it all out on the paper, or wordpress, or whatever I happen to be writting to, leaving a gaping hole that I quite possibly don&#039;t see, because I still see the scene in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I&#8217;ve never read Hemmingway.</p>
<p>My real problem comes when I visualise a scene in my mind&#8230; Then don&#8217;t quite get it all out on the paper, or wordpress, or whatever I happen to be writting to, leaving a gaping hole that I quite possibly don&#8217;t see, because I still see the scene in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/02/02/purple-prose-not-a-problem/comment-page-1#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underdone writing is never as big a sin, believe you me. Look at how far Hemingway got!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underdone writing is never as big a sin, believe you me. Look at how far Hemingway got!</p>
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		<title>By: Spotty</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/02/02/purple-prose-not-a-problem/comment-page-1#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>Spotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this term in some of the later posts and couldn&#039;t figure out what it was.

Now I know, I seriously doubt I&#039;m in any danger of ever commiting this problem.

On the topic of possibly under done writing (ie. the polar opposite of purple prose) I refer you to my own writing. I&#039;ve been struggling to try to strike a balance somewhere in the middle, but I&#039;ve always kind of been a man of few words. I could always write well in English, I could just never meet a word limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this term in some of the later posts and couldn&#8217;t figure out what it was.</p>
<p>Now I know, I seriously doubt I&#8217;m in any danger of ever commiting this problem.</p>
<p>On the topic of possibly under done writing (ie. the polar opposite of purple prose) I refer you to my own writing. I&#8217;ve been struggling to try to strike a balance somewhere in the middle, but I&#8217;ve always kind of been a man of few words. I could always write well in English, I could just never meet a word limit.</p>
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		<title>By: CrazyDreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrazyDreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  On a related note, allow me to quote two paragraphs from &lt;i&gt;The Encyclopedia of Fantasy&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s entry on &quot;Diction&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3. Archaism&lt;/strong&gt; The &quot;forsoothery&quot; of much High Fantasy may be nothing more than a reflection of the tendency - derived from William Morris and J.R.R. Tolkien - to conduct heroic matters in a Germanic tone of voice, and thereby to convey a sense of the dawn of the world.  Attempts at the Saga Voice afflict almost all high fantasy, from Morris to Poul Anderson and to most recent writers of Genre Fantasy.  Texts in Saga Voice are full of undigested morsels of &quot;language&quot;, but often in no way constitute a genuine attempt at conveying otherness.  Where they do, as in the best of Anderson&#039;s early work, it is because of a conscious attempt to go back to the sagas and make the imitation of their language personal and new.

Other sources for the effect of archaism in fantasy include the cod Orientalism of Lord Dunsany and others of the turn of the century, and even the Bible.  Sometimes this is a deliberate piece of what Bertolt Brecht called the alienation effect; Dunsany, James Branch Cabell, Ernest Bramah and others are announcing, not entirely truthfully, that what they are telling us in this particular and peculiar way is a Story, and to be taken on Story&#039;s terms.  What can make later imitations of their language so silly is the absence of a sense of irony, and of the sense that language can have several meanings at once.

[&lt;i&gt;Encyclopedia&lt;/i&gt; copyright 1997; &quot;Diction&quot; entry by John Clute and Roz Kaveney]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s not much that I can add except that badly-written high fantasy has the same problem with the same solution as ordinary purple prose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  On a related note, allow me to quote two paragraphs from <i>The Encyclopedia of Fantasy</i>&#8217;s entry on &#8220;Diction&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>3. Archaism</strong> The &#8220;forsoothery&#8221; of much High Fantasy may be nothing more than a reflection of the tendency &#8211; derived from William Morris and J.R.R. Tolkien &#8211; to conduct heroic matters in a Germanic tone of voice, and thereby to convey a sense of the dawn of the world.  Attempts at the Saga Voice afflict almost all high fantasy, from Morris to Poul Anderson and to most recent writers of Genre Fantasy.  Texts in Saga Voice are full of undigested morsels of &#8220;language&#8221;, but often in no way constitute a genuine attempt at conveying otherness.  Where they do, as in the best of Anderson&#8217;s early work, it is because of a conscious attempt to go back to the sagas and make the imitation of their language personal and new.</p>
<p>Other sources for the effect of archaism in fantasy include the cod Orientalism of Lord Dunsany and others of the turn of the century, and even the Bible.  Sometimes this is a deliberate piece of what Bertolt Brecht called the alienation effect; Dunsany, James Branch Cabell, Ernest Bramah and others are announcing, not entirely truthfully, that what they are telling us in this particular and peculiar way is a Story, and to be taken on Story&#8217;s terms.  What can make later imitations of their language so silly is the absence of a sense of irony, and of the sense that language can have several meanings at once.</p>
<p>[<i>Encyclopedia</i> copyright 1997; "Diction" entry by John Clute and Roz Kaveney]</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s not much that I can add except that badly-written high fantasy has the same problem with the same solution as ordinary purple prose.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps &lt;em&gt;flowery language&lt;/em&gt; would be a better word. Purple prose is by definition stilted. And I know it&#039;s possible to pull off beautiful language without sounding stupid, but I don&#039;t know why it works when it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps <em>flowery language</em> would be a better word. Purple prose is by definition stilted. And I know it&#8217;s possible to pull off beautiful language without sounding stupid, but I don&#8217;t know why it works when it does.</p>
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		<title>By: CrazyDreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrazyDreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I want to say they had sex, I say they had sex. I don’t go out of my way to say they consummated their relationship with vigorous bonding in between sheets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I actually find referring to sex to be a great case for purple prose . . . so long as it&#039;s properly done, playing off of the English language&#039;s tendency to have strange and amusing euphemisms for that act.  (I love playing with the language and the readers&#039; expectations  like that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I want to say they had sex, I say they had sex. I don’t go out of my way to say they consummated their relationship with vigorous bonding in between sheets.</p></blockquote>
<p>I actually find referring to sex to be a great case for purple prose . . . so long as it&#8217;s properly done, playing off of the English language&#8217;s tendency to have strange and amusing euphemisms for that act.  (I love playing with the language and the readers&#8217; expectations  like that.)</p>
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		<title>By: bibliobibuli</title>
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		<dc:creator>bibliobibuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>depends what effect you want to create and what kind of fiction you are trying to craft, i guess.  i get real pleasure from beautifully crafted work and usually that isn&#039;t at all bare bones stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>depends what effect you want to create and what kind of fiction you are trying to craft, i guess.  i get real pleasure from beautifully crafted work and usually that isn&#8217;t at all bare bones stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can?! *thinks for a bit*

I haven&#039;t seen many examples of that - most of the time my friends try to impress everyone with their vocabulary and end up crafting horrible pieces.

But that &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be a problem, come to think of it. Though me thinks it&#039;s gotta be pretty rare.

Yes to the 2nd part. Reading tons and developing a style is a given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can?! *thinks for a bit*</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen many examples of that &#8211; most of the time my friends try to impress everyone with their vocabulary and end up crafting horrible pieces.</p>
<p>But that <em>can</em> be a problem, come to think of it. Though me thinks it&#8217;s gotta be pretty rare.</p>
<p>Yes to the 2nd part. Reading tons and developing a style is a given.</p>
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		<title>By: bibliobibuli</title>
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		<dc:creator>bibliobibuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but prose can be too bare too.  really the only way to get it right is to read tons and develop a style that seems natural to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but prose can be too bare too.  really the only way to get it right is to read tons and develop a style that seems natural to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic, Horton, classic. Showing as well as telling. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic, Horton, classic. Showing as well as telling. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Horton Carew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horton Carew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were to press me, which is an idea that I must confess to humouring with no small amount of palpitation, I too must concur with those who hold that purple prose, or &#039;violaceous discourse&#039; as is my preferred term, is unwarranted and needless in the majority of cases. The practice is certainly one that I strive to eschew in my daily electronic diary as I find that it functions merely to dissuade potential readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were to press me, which is an idea that I must confess to humouring with no small amount of palpitation, I too must concur with those who hold that purple prose, or &#8216;violaceous discourse&#8217; as is my preferred term, is unwarranted and needless in the majority of cases. The practice is certainly one that I strive to eschew in my daily electronic diary as I find that it functions merely to dissuade potential readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll reserve judgment about romance novels - not much experience there, I&#039;m afraid - but yes ... it does hurt. 

Repeated gushing: annoyance, much? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll reserve judgment about romance novels &#8211; not much experience there, I&#8217;m afraid &#8211; but yes &#8230; it does hurt. </p>
<p>Repeated gushing: annoyance, much? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Windvein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windvein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always heard it was, &quot;Keep it simple, stupid.&quot; It&#039;s almost a koan either way.

Yeah, purple prose hurts, and it seems to be a crime committed in love scenes and romance novels a lot. If two words will do to describe a character&#039;s hair, let&#039;s use twenty words anyway, and we&#039;ll mention hair or physique a lot and discuss them rhapsodically every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always heard it was, &#8220;Keep it simple, stupid.&#8221; It&#8217;s almost a koan either way.</p>
<p>Yeah, purple prose hurts, and it seems to be a crime committed in love scenes and romance novels a lot. If two words will do to describe a character&#8217;s hair, let&#8217;s use twenty words anyway, and we&#8217;ll mention hair or physique a lot and discuss them rhapsodically every time.</p>
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