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		<title>By: Pretty &#8211; Please? Six suggestions for on-line stories &#124; Disrupted Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pretty &#8211; Please? Six suggestions for on-line stories &#124; Disrupted Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gavin Williams  found introducing too many characters at the beginning of a story made it difficult for readers to keep track of them; they were unsure who to care about and where the story was heading. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Novelr : Loose Leaf Stories</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/06/03/before-you-begin-writing-online-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-6138</link>
		<dc:creator>Novelr : Loose Leaf Stories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Before You Begin Writing Online Fiction, by Gavin Williams: I&#8217;m pretty sure that most of you won&#8217;t click on this one. You probably don&#8217;t care. You&#8217;re reading webfiction and likely not writing it. (If you are, send me a link!) Just in case, though, I added the link. It&#8217;s the long and short of writing and formatting and editing for the Internet, with one notable exclusion. It&#8217;s not exclusive to webfiction or anything, but is still vitally important: You are responsible for everything you say. Don&#8217;t post it if you don&#8217;t want it to come back to bite you in the ass. Sure, you can delete the post, but people will remember, Google will cache it and there exists a lovely, terrible little feature called screenshots. Write responsibly. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Before You Begin Writing Online Fiction, by Gavin Williams: I&#8217;m pretty sure that most of you won&#8217;t click on this one. You probably don&#8217;t care. You&#8217;re reading webfiction and likely not writing it. (If you are, send me a link!) Just in case, though, I added the link. It&#8217;s the long and short of writing and formatting and editing for the Internet, with one notable exclusion. It&#8217;s not exclusive to webfiction or anything, but is still vitally important: You are responsible for everything you say. Don&#8217;t post it if you don&#8217;t want it to come back to bite you in the ass. Sure, you can delete the post, but people will remember, Google will cache it and there exists a lovely, terrible little feature called screenshots. Write responsibly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ltlblg &#187; Online Fiction</title>
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		<dc:creator>ltlblg &#187; Online Fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] articles on novelr.com about the future of online fiction; the first give an introduction to the differences between online and traditional fiction, the second describes how a publishing industry slump might be a good thing for authors and online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] articles on novelr.com about the future of online fiction; the first give an introduction to the differences between online and traditional fiction, the second describes how a publishing industry slump might be a good thing for authors and online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Darwin: I suppose it&#039;s because back then there wasn&#039;t much choice. You either had books, or you had ... housework. So books were leisurely and slow and just perfect for that sort of life.

Now? Hah. Books vs Internet vs games vs TV vs God-knows-what. Writing has changed to reflect that.

PS: Your Darwin remark, Windvein, also reminds me of this book about The Properties of Moss being a bestseller in 1800s England. Crazy, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Darwin: I suppose it&#8217;s because back then there wasn&#8217;t much choice. You either had books, or you had &#8230; housework. So books were leisurely and slow and just perfect for that sort of life.</p>
<p>Now? Hah. Books vs Internet vs games vs TV vs God-knows-what. Writing has changed to reflect that.</p>
<p>PS: Your Darwin remark, Windvein, also reminds me of this book about The Properties of Moss being a bestseller in 1800s England. Crazy, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Windvein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windvein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suleski,

Talking about dull books becoming famous, only three poeple read &lt;i&gt;Origin of the Species&lt;/i&gt;, but everyone and their mom was like, &quot;Ooh, Darwin.&quot; ;-) 

I  think it&#039;s almost a flip of the coin how much readers will take. Do you  leave them wanting more or satisfy them? I deliberately made the chapters to my work Unicorn Bait short. I got complaints about that, but then some people said it was perfect. I know when I finally reach the end of UB and edit it, I&#039;ll be going back and combining chapters because it will over seventy chapters as is. That&#039;s a daunting number of chapters. 

Balancing how much clicking people are willing to do, and how long they&#039;re willing to stay on one screen is a tough call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suleski,</p>
<p>Talking about dull books becoming famous, only three poeple read <i>Origin of the Species</i>, but everyone and their mom was like, &#8220;Ooh, Darwin.&#8221; ;-) </p>
<p>I  think it&#8217;s almost a flip of the coin how much readers will take. Do you  leave them wanting more or satisfy them? I deliberately made the chapters to my work Unicorn Bait short. I got complaints about that, but then some people said it was perfect. I know when I finally reach the end of UB and edit it, I&#8217;ll be going back and combining chapters because it will over seventy chapters as is. That&#8217;s a daunting number of chapters. </p>
<p>Balancing how much clicking people are willing to do, and how long they&#8217;re willing to stay on one screen is a tough call.</p>
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		<title>By: srsuleski</title>
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		<dc:creator>srsuleski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, yes.  I read halfway through, waiting for it to &quot;get good&quot; before I realized that it was never going to.  But I finished it anyway, because I didn&#039;t have anything else out from the library, and had yet to discover online fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, yes.  I read halfway through, waiting for it to &#8220;get good&#8221; before I realized that it was never going to.  But I finished it anyway, because I didn&#8217;t have anything else out from the library, and had yet to discover online fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Spotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gavin:

I agree that the whole attention thing is probably a smaller issue in the print media, I&#039;m just pointing out that it&#039;s a decently large issue too.

And I used to read alot but that seems to have dropped off to almost none in recent years, sadly...

@srsuleski:

There are always raving masochists running around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gavin:</p>
<p>I agree that the whole attention thing is probably a smaller issue in the print media, I&#8217;m just pointing out that it&#8217;s a decently large issue too.</p>
<p>And I used to read alot but that seems to have dropped off to almost none in recent years, sadly&#8230;</p>
<p>@srsuleski:</p>
<p>There are always raving masochists running around.</p>
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		<title>By: srsuleski</title>
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		<dc:creator>srsuleski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dickens and others were paid by the word,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha!  That explains &lt;i&gt;so much.&lt;/i&gt; ;)

Very nice article, Gavin, I think you expressed the advantages of web fiction very spot on.

I have heard many things though, about today&#039;s publishing world that say how you have to catch the reader right away, keep them hooked, etc. and that&#039;s referring to print media.  I think that everything these days, is geared more toward immediate satisfaction.  Or, at least, readers or yesteryear got more satisfaction out of a leisurely pace and today&#039;s consumer wants bangs and booms to keep their interest.

Then again, books like &quot;The Historian&quot; come along and bash that notion.  A more boring book I&#039;ve never read (and I&#039;ve read many classics) but it still becomes a bestseller with raving fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dickens and others were paid by the word,</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha!  That explains <i>so much.</i> ;)</p>
<p>Very nice article, Gavin, I think you expressed the advantages of web fiction very spot on.</p>
<p>I have heard many things though, about today&#8217;s publishing world that say how you have to catch the reader right away, keep them hooked, etc. and that&#8217;s referring to print media.  I think that everything these days, is geared more toward immediate satisfaction.  Or, at least, readers or yesteryear got more satisfaction out of a leisurely pace and today&#8217;s consumer wants bangs and booms to keep their interest.</p>
<p>Then again, books like &#8220;The Historian&#8221; come along and bash that notion.  A more boring book I&#8217;ve never read (and I&#8217;ve read many classics) but it still becomes a bestseller with raving fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Spotty -  It depends on the novel.  If I&#039;m bored after one chapter, it&#039;s not likely that I&#039;ll keep going.  However, my definition of &quot;boring&quot; is different than some people, as I&#039;m known for reading 1000 page novels.  I was reading the Hobbit was I was five, and Lord of the Rings before I was ten.  A lot of people find The Fellowship of the Ring boring, but I like it.

(I&#039;m not bringing up the age thing to brag, but to illustrate a point about reading - everyone has different levels of tolerance, patience and enjoyment.  I read the Hobbit so early because it had pictures from the movie, I thought it was a big kid&#039;s book.  I followed it up with LOTR because it was a sequel and I wanted to know what happened.  After that, no book was intimidating.)

But a lot of books, like LOTR, I only read because I knew I could take my time with them.  It didn&#039;t matter if I could only read for ten minutes or three hours, the story itself wasn&#039;t going anywhere, so I could come back.  With online fiction, the audience itself is not likely to sit there for three hours.  The online attention span is faster paced, and has different values than the readers of fiction through history before now.  Literature was leisurely, and our current culture (largely internet and television driven) is not.

Traditional literature was written so readers and authors would take their time with it.  Dickens and others were paid by the word, so it paid to have lots of description that modern novels don&#039;t include, because their audience is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Spotty &#8211;  It depends on the novel.  If I&#8217;m bored after one chapter, it&#8217;s not likely that I&#8217;ll keep going.  However, my definition of &#8220;boring&#8221; is different than some people, as I&#8217;m known for reading 1000 page novels.  I was reading the Hobbit was I was five, and Lord of the Rings before I was ten.  A lot of people find The Fellowship of the Ring boring, but I like it.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not bringing up the age thing to brag, but to illustrate a point about reading &#8211; everyone has different levels of tolerance, patience and enjoyment.  I read the Hobbit so early because it had pictures from the movie, I thought it was a big kid&#8217;s book.  I followed it up with LOTR because it was a sequel and I wanted to know what happened.  After that, no book was intimidating.)</p>
<p>But a lot of books, like LOTR, I only read because I knew I could take my time with them.  It didn&#8217;t matter if I could only read for ten minutes or three hours, the story itself wasn&#8217;t going anywhere, so I could come back.  With online fiction, the audience itself is not likely to sit there for three hours.  The online attention span is faster paced, and has different values than the readers of fiction through history before now.  Literature was leisurely, and our current culture (largely internet and television driven) is not.</p>
<p>Traditional literature was written so readers and authors would take their time with it.  Dickens and others were paid by the word, so it paid to have lots of description that modern novels don&#8217;t include, because their audience is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gavin: and I&#039;d like to publicly thank you for sharing. =) Good stuff, Gavin.

@Spotty: I dare say that offline prose doesn&#039;t need to be as attention grabbing as online prose, for a myriad of reasons: the screen is hard to read off from, the Internet is a distracting medium, etc etc.

Yes, books still need to be attention grabbing. But I can get through some that start off &lt;strong&gt;very&lt;/strong&gt; boring and still finish them. It&#039;s just that online a boring start is going to kill the whole thing right off for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gavin: and I&#8217;d like to publicly thank you for sharing. =) Good stuff, Gavin.</p>
<p>@Spotty: I dare say that offline prose doesn&#8217;t need to be as attention grabbing as online prose, for a myriad of reasons: the screen is hard to read off from, the Internet is a distracting medium, etc etc.</p>
<p>Yes, books still need to be attention grabbing. But I can get through some that start off <strong>very</strong> boring and still finish them. It&#8217;s just that online a boring start is going to kill the whole thing right off for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Spotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t write without the interactive side of things; I&#039;m a &lt;a href=&quot;http://arcanadium.monoxide.ws/about-me/#content&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;self-proclaimed comment *cough*&lt;/a&gt;. 

On the delivery side of things, I&#039;ve commited to 1-2 updates a week, and usually manage to pull off two updates totaling 1100+ words a week, so I&#039;m happy with myself on that front, even if it doesn&#039;t size up to  &lt;a href=&quot;http://talesofmu.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strike&gt;my idol&lt;/strike&gt; other authors&lt;/a&gt;.

On the topic of cliffhangers (should read: interest), this is a very important part... As you noted above, readers need a reason to come back. Where I&#039;m going to strike off from what you said though is you&#039;re analysis of paper books. I, respectfully, disagree.

I know, personally, a book needs to hold my attention just as much, otherwise when I do put it down for an hour or two... I might just forget to come back to it again. Which tends to happen alot with both my online and offline reading. I know for a fact I used to keep track of a whole heap more webcomics than I do now, and that I have alot of half read books in my cupboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t write without the interactive side of things; I&#8217;m a <a href="http://arcanadium.monoxide.ws/about-me/#content" rel="nofollow">self-proclaimed comment *cough*</a>. </p>
<p>On the delivery side of things, I&#8217;ve commited to 1-2 updates a week, and usually manage to pull off two updates totaling 1100+ words a week, so I&#8217;m happy with myself on that front, even if it doesn&#8217;t size up to  <a href="http://talesofmu.com/" rel="nofollow"><strike>my idol</strike> other authors</a>.</p>
<p>On the topic of cliffhangers (should read: interest), this is a very important part&#8230; As you noted above, readers need a reason to come back. Where I&#8217;m going to strike off from what you said though is you&#8217;re analysis of paper books. I, respectfully, disagree.</p>
<p>I know, personally, a book needs to hold my attention just as much, otherwise when I do put it down for an hour or two&#8230; I might just forget to come back to it again. Which tends to happen alot with both my online and offline reading. I know for a fact I used to keep track of a whole heap more webcomics than I do now, and that I have alot of half read books in my cupboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I justed wanted to publicly thank Eli for inviting me to visit, and I hope readers found it useful.

See you on the flipside (;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I justed wanted to publicly thank Eli for inviting me to visit, and I hope readers found it useful.</p>
<p>See you on the flipside (;</p>
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