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		<title>By: Karen Wehrstein</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-3218</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Wehrstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What needs to happen is that web fiction needs to transcend the impression that it&#039;s the refuge of people who can&#039;t get published traditionally -- in other words, the slushpile in html.

I think that WILL happen -- I think it&#039;s inevitable, as good writers realize that it can be a better deal than traditional publishing because there&#039;s such a huge cost saving on cutting down, pulping, flattening and slapping ink on all those trees, and they can control both editorial and marketing (see my explanation why I&#039;m doing it after publishing traditionally here -- www.chevenga.com/faq.html, it&#039;s down a ways.)

Our job is to make it happen sooner rather than later.  Part of that is by making sure our writing is of good quality, part is by doing good quality reviews, establishing online fiction awards and other forms of recognition, etc., and part is promoting original online fiction as a whole.   Things can happen very fast on the Internet, so I have hope.

I&#039;ve signed one book onto WFC as Chris knows and will soon follow with another.  (www.chevenga.com for those who are curious.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What needs to happen is that web fiction needs to transcend the impression that it&#8217;s the refuge of people who can&#8217;t get published traditionally &#8212; in other words, the slushpile in html.</p>
<p>I think that WILL happen &#8212; I think it&#8217;s inevitable, as good writers realize that it can be a better deal than traditional publishing because there&#8217;s such a huge cost saving on cutting down, pulping, flattening and slapping ink on all those trees, and they can control both editorial and marketing (see my explanation why I&#8217;m doing it after publishing traditionally here &#8212; <a href="http://www.chevenga.com/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chevenga.com/faq.html</a>, it&#8217;s down a ways.)</p>
<p>Our job is to make it happen sooner rather than later.  Part of that is by making sure our writing is of good quality, part is by doing good quality reviews, establishing online fiction awards and other forms of recognition, etc., and part is promoting original online fiction as a whole.   Things can happen very fast on the Internet, so I have hope.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve signed one book onto WFC as Chris knows and will soon follow with another.  (www.chevenga.com for those who are curious.)</p>
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		<title>By: JinnaTrenona</title>
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		<dc:creator>JinnaTrenona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am gonna show this to my friend, dude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am gonna show this to my friend, dude</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Poirier</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Poirier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send us an email to submissions@webfictionguide.com.  If you can supply the information we normally get from the author, we&#039;ll probably list it.  To date, all of the non-author submissions we&#039;ve gotten  (2, that I can think of)  have left us with the job, and we haven&#039;t gotten to any of them yet, due to the workload of reviewing our existing listings.  If you can supply the information, we&#039;ll probably try to notify the author that the listing is going up, and then list it.

Just do please let us know if you aren&#039;t the author, so we don&#039;t credit it to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send us an email to <a href="mailto:submissions@webfictionguide.com">submissions@webfictionguide.com</a>.  If you can supply the information we normally get from the author, we&#8217;ll probably list it.  To date, all of the non-author submissions we&#8217;ve gotten  (2, that I can think of)  have left us with the job, and we haven&#8217;t gotten to any of them yet, due to the workload of reviewing our existing listings.  If you can supply the information, we&#8217;ll probably try to notify the author that the listing is going up, and then list it.</p>
<p>Just do please let us know if you aren&#8217;t the author, so we don&#8217;t credit it to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebatinsky</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebatinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m convinced. WFG  has taken and surpassed PU as a filter/editorial site. I find myself always using WFG and rarely PU. My one complaint is that there doesn&#039;t appear to be a way to add works whose authors don&#039;t know or care about WFG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m convinced. WFG  has taken and surpassed PU as a filter/editorial site. I find myself always using WFG and rarely PU. My one complaint is that there doesn&#8217;t appear to be a way to add works whose authors don&#8217;t know or care about WFG.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to PU a couple of times, but to be honest, I didn&#039;t find it to be particularly useful.  I checked out a couple of stories that had good ratings and found the quality to be lacking;  this is one of the things that turned me off web fiction in the first place.  

I find WFG to be a much more useful resource, it seems far more balanced to me, and there&#039;s a lot to be said simply about the consistency of having things reviewed by the same editors.  I can learn which editors share my taste and which don&#039;t, and choose which stories to look at accordingly.  But I can also balance the editorial opinion with what regular members have said.

Since WFG has managed to keep even a stodgy person like me, who resists newfangled shtuff like blooks (I gotta say the term &quot;blook&quot; makes me shudder in horror) poking around for stuff to read, I&#039;d have to say that it makes a far better resource than PU.  I don&#039;t really see any reason to beat a dead horse when there&#039;s a perfectly good new horse standing right there in the coral XP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to PU a couple of times, but to be honest, I didn&#8217;t find it to be particularly useful.  I checked out a couple of stories that had good ratings and found the quality to be lacking;  this is one of the things that turned me off web fiction in the first place.  </p>
<p>I find WFG to be a much more useful resource, it seems far more balanced to me, and there&#8217;s a lot to be said simply about the consistency of having things reviewed by the same editors.  I can learn which editors share my taste and which don&#8217;t, and choose which stories to look at accordingly.  But I can also balance the editorial opinion with what regular members have said.</p>
<p>Since WFG has managed to keep even a stodgy person like me, who resists newfangled shtuff like blooks (I gotta say the term &#8220;blook&#8221; makes me shudder in horror) poking around for stuff to read, I&#8217;d have to say that it makes a far better resource than PU.  I don&#8217;t really see any reason to beat a dead horse when there&#8217;s a perfectly good new horse standing right there in the coral XP</p>
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		<title>By: srsuleski</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2745</link>
		<dc:creator>srsuleski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I think our time is better spent working on improving Web Fiction Guide than trying to keep Pages Unbound afloat.  It you get pulled in too many directions, everything falters, as I believe this whole situation with AE and her stories and PU shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I think our time is better spent working on improving Web Fiction Guide than trying to keep Pages Unbound afloat.  It you get pulled in too many directions, everything falters, as I believe this whole situation with AE and her stories and PU shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GCCT: I wasn&#039;t aware of those forums before. Thanks for pointing it out.

On a related note, I haven&#039;t got a conclusive reply from Erin yet. Am wondering what to do while we&#039;re waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GCCT: I wasn&#8217;t aware of those forums before. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
<p>On a related note, I haven&#8217;t got a conclusive reply from Erin yet. Am wondering what to do while we&#8217;re waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2743</link>
		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, the forums at WFG are now open and work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, the forums at WFG are now open and work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GGCT</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2741</link>
		<dc:creator>GGCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also there&#039;s a great forum for blog fiction at &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.blogfiction.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;forum.blogfiction.org&lt;/a&gt; with a directory of sites -- blog fiction is a more specialized subset of web fiction in general but yet another place for a budding community of authors to support each other&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also there&#8217;s a great forum for blog fiction at <a href="http://forum.blogfiction.org/" rel="nofollow">forum.blogfiction.org</a> with a directory of sites &#8212; blog fiction is a more specialized subset of web fiction in general but yet another place for a budding community of authors to support each other&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: GGCT</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2740</link>
		<dc:creator>GGCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WFG is a fun-looking site that&#039;s easy to navigate, while PU was always tough to figure out and we never got the click-through traffic that other people are raving about.  Still, two directory sites are better than one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WFG is a fun-looking site that&#8217;s easy to navigate, while PU was always tough to figure out and we never got the click-through traffic that other people are raving about.  Still, two directory sites are better than one.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex McG</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome. That is great news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. That is great news.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, WFG will be adding forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, WFG will be adding forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex McG</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the WFG does a pretty good job of filling the listings and reviews void, but I think the real loss would be the forums. 
If WFG doesn&#039;t decide to add forums onto the site, it will definitely need to be hosted somewhere else. 
I&#039;d be willing to set something up or help set something up if no one else is going to step up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the WFG does a pretty good job of filling the listings and reviews void, but I think the real loss would be the forums.<br />
If WFG doesn&#8217;t decide to add forums onto the site, it will definitely need to be hosted somewhere else.<br />
I&#8217;d be willing to set something up or help set something up if no one else is going to step up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonja</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think PU has to be taken over (though I do think it would be wise to keep it in stasis for the reasons Eli mentioned above).  I consider it as the first step towards a bigger, better, web novel community, but that&#039;s all it is/was -- a first step.  

If someone else wants to take over PU, more power to them.  

On a personal note, I don&#039;t really have the desire to attempt to keep PU up or anything along those lines.  I already think WFG improved upon AE&#039;s idea and made the community better for it. 

What&#039;s happening with PU is the natural -- I&#039;m trying to phrase this in a way that isn&#039;t trite, but I can&#039;t (perhaps I&#039;m too tired).  The fact is, there&#039;s a time for everything and it&#039;s the nature of things to live and die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think PU has to be taken over (though I do think it would be wise to keep it in stasis for the reasons Eli mentioned above).  I consider it as the first step towards a bigger, better, web novel community, but that&#8217;s all it is/was &#8212; a first step.  </p>
<p>If someone else wants to take over PU, more power to them.  </p>
<p>On a personal note, I don&#8217;t really have the desire to attempt to keep PU up or anything along those lines.  I already think WFG improved upon AE&#8217;s idea and made the community better for it. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s happening with PU is the natural &#8212; I&#8217;m trying to phrase this in a way that isn&#8217;t trite, but I can&#8217;t (perhaps I&#8217;m too tired).  The fact is, there&#8217;s a time for everything and it&#8217;s the nature of things to live and die.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2735</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, that&#039;s why it works now. But whoever takes it over can flog it on their sites and we can flog it on ours. AE was great - it&#039;s up to everyone else to continue her good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, that&#8217;s why it works now. But whoever takes it over can flog it on their sites and we can flog it on ours. AE was great &#8211; it&#8217;s up to everyone else to continue her good work.</p>
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		<title>By: MeiLin Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2734</link>
		<dc:creator>MeiLin Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think PU would work without AE. The sole reason it has the influence it has is because she flogs it on her own sites. That&#039;s it. I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s bad or anything--I&#039;m saying that&#039;s how people knew it existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think PU would work without AE. The sole reason it has the influence it has is because she flogs it on her own sites. That&#8217;s it. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s bad or anything&#8211;I&#8217;m saying that&#8217;s how people knew it existed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Word - According To Me &#187; Pages Unbound may be closing</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Word - According To Me &#187; Pages Unbound may be closing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can read about the possible closure here. Drop a comment and have your say if you&#8217;d like to see it saved (as in, taken over rather [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can read about the possible closure here. Drop a comment and have your say if you&#8217;d like to see it saved (as in, taken over rather [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The loss of PU would be really sad. If you guys can get on board and take over I think it can still work without Erin&#039;s presence. Not the same, of course, but it will still work. My vote is for you guys to step  in and my deepest thanks if you do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loss of PU would be really sad. If you guys can get on board and take over I think it can still work without Erin&#8217;s presence. Not the same, of course, but it will still work. My vote is for you guys to step  in and my deepest thanks if you do!</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WFG falls into the category of &quot;something very similar&quot; while being different in some good ways.

That being said, having AE behind something like that gives it a huge amount of clout among those who read her stuff. That&#039;s the big hurdle that anything else that tries to do the same thing faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WFG falls into the category of &#8220;something very similar&#8221; while being different in some good ways.</p>
<p>That being said, having AE behind something like that gives it a huge amount of clout among those who read her stuff. That&#8217;s the big hurdle that anything else that tries to do the same thing faces.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebatinsky</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2008/08/03/pages-unbound-is-closing/comment-page-1#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebatinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see what my level of involvement has been lately from the fact that I was unaware of this development.

I think that the loss of PU would be a fairly large blow to the web fiction community. PU really has its foot in the door in a way that I&#039;m not sure any other review site does. Eventually, if it doesn&#039;t stick around, some other site will crop up to fulfill that role - but we would be set back.

Hopefully, somebody takes of PU, or starts something similar very soon that all the folks currently there can jump on.

I should spend some more time checking out WFG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see what my level of involvement has been lately from the fact that I was unaware of this development.</p>
<p>I think that the loss of PU would be a fairly large blow to the web fiction community. PU really has its foot in the door in a way that I&#8217;m not sure any other review site does. Eventually, if it doesn&#8217;t stick around, some other site will crop up to fulfill that role &#8211; but we would be set back.</p>
<p>Hopefully, somebody takes of PU, or starts something similar very soon that all the folks currently there can jump on.</p>
<p>I should spend some more time checking out WFG.</p>
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