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		<title>By: allan (BFuniv)</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-4802</link>
		<dc:creator>allan (BFuniv)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to swing from extreme to extreme. Run on gets chopped to abrupt, then back again. That comment about finding a voice is right on. Having read too many opinions on how to structure, it is be nice to finally relax into our own style.

This is art, leave the breaststrokes if you wish. It&#039;s YOUR art.

As my most recent protagonist says:

&quot;Elegance. Well written code contains no flourishes. Concise. Direct. Succinct. As Bureaucracy Age transitioned into Netcohort Age, Cluetrain Manifesto proclaimed: &#039;Hyperlinks Subvert Hierarchy.&#039; Hyperlinks are part of my art.&quot; - Billy Goodman, &lt;i&gt;Complicit Simplicity&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to swing from extreme to extreme. Run on gets chopped to abrupt, then back again. That comment about finding a voice is right on. Having read too many opinions on how to structure, it is be nice to finally relax into our own style.</p>
<p>This is art, leave the breaststrokes if you wish. It&#8217;s YOUR art.</p>
<p>As my most recent protagonist says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Elegance. Well written code contains no flourishes. Concise. Direct. Succinct. As Bureaucracy Age transitioned into Netcohort Age, Cluetrain Manifesto proclaimed: &#8216;Hyperlinks Subvert Hierarchy.&#8217; Hyperlinks are part of my art.&#8221; &#8211; Billy Goodman, <i>Complicit Simplicity</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jan Oda</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Oda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even get past the evil motherships!!!
http://gamedesign.jp/index_en.html

Esp. Dicewars, which is a teared down Risk version, and le chat noir are cool, very simple but addicting flash games..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even get past the evil motherships!!!<br />
<a href="http://gamedesign.jp/index_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://gamedesign.jp/index_en.html</a></p>
<p>Esp. Dicewars, which is a teared down Risk version, and le chat noir are cool, very simple but addicting flash games..</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tzinski</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3378</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Tzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh heck, that&#039;s standard writer&#039;s angst right there. Either we look back at old works and think &quot;this is rubbish, I could never write, I am a talentless hack, I am going to go sell my body on the street or drive a taxi or something sensible.&quot;

Or else we look at it and go &quot;That sentence is brilliant. Clear and sharp and just good writing. Oh God, I used to have it, but I don&#039;t have it anymore, I am going to go become a serial killer or become a Belgian Super-Hero, or something sensible.&quot;

You can&#039;t win. Honest. You&#039;re doomed. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh heck, that&#8217;s standard writer&#8217;s angst right there. Either we look back at old works and think &#8220;this is rubbish, I could never write, I am a talentless hack, I am going to go sell my body on the street or drive a taxi or something sensible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or else we look at it and go &#8220;That sentence is brilliant. Clear and sharp and just good writing. Oh God, I used to have it, but I don&#8217;t have it anymore, I am going to go become a serial killer or become a Belgian Super-Hero, or something sensible.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t win. Honest. You&#8217;re doomed. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not yet tried dicewars, Jan. Sounds really good, though! Give me a link? (psst: try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kongregate.com/games/CasualCollective/the-space-game&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Space Game&lt;/a&gt; - it rocks, though I can&#039;t seem to get past the last level. Tell me if you manage to beat it).

@Pete: your comment - last sentence in particular - made my day. I was laughing my head off at it: so bloody true! Though in this case I was reading my past archives and wondering how I used to write like that, short sentences and clear ideas and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not yet tried dicewars, Jan. Sounds really good, though! Give me a link? (psst: try <a href="http://www.kongregate.com/games/CasualCollective/the-space-game" rel="nofollow">The Space Game</a> &#8211; it rocks, though I can&#8217;t seem to get past the last level. Tell me if you manage to beat it).</p>
<p>@Pete: your comment &#8211; last sentence in particular &#8211; made my day. I was laughing my head off at it: so bloody true! Though in this case I was reading my past archives and wondering how I used to write like that, short sentences and clear ideas and all.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Tzinski</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Tzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never read a post on NovelR and stopped halfway through going &quot;This writing is rubbish, although the ideas are quite nice. I am leaving!&quot;

Mostly, I read very interesting articles that leave me thinking -- or grumbling -- for the remainder of the day...and then I get sucked into a fascinating and intelligent conversation in the comments, which goes on at length. And I sincerely doubt it would that if the posts were rubbish. So don&#039;t worry too much. (although I can understand why you do; certainly, I&#039;ll see something of mine someone&#039;s run online and go &quot;Ugh, what the hell was that sentence and how did it not die? Agh, now everyone&#039;s read it...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read a post on NovelR and stopped halfway through going &#8220;This writing is rubbish, although the ideas are quite nice. I am leaving!&#8221;</p>
<p>Mostly, I read very interesting articles that leave me thinking &#8212; or grumbling &#8212; for the remainder of the day&#8230;and then I get sucked into a fascinating and intelligent conversation in the comments, which goes on at length. And I sincerely doubt it would that if the posts were rubbish. So don&#8217;t worry too much. (although I can understand why you do; certainly, I&#8217;ll see something of mine someone&#8217;s run online and go &#8220;Ugh, what the hell was that sentence and how did it not die? Agh, now everyone&#8217;s read it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Oda</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Oda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats because I&#039;m not :) I&#039;m from Belgium... But the Dutch speaking part...

Anyway, I was totally looking at the sidebar, and panicking that it didn&#039;t show up... Until I finally saw the header navigation. I can be blind...

New side note, I like your footer. It expresses everything in a clear, chatty manner. Also, about the casual games, have you tried dicewars?? Those japanese game designers should be sued for serious procrastination!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats because I&#8217;m not :) I&#8217;m from Belgium&#8230; But the Dutch speaking part&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I was totally looking at the sidebar, and panicking that it didn&#8217;t show up&#8230; Until I finally saw the header navigation. I can be blind&#8230;</p>
<p>New side note, I like your footer. It expresses everything in a clear, chatty manner. Also, about the casual games, have you tried dicewars?? Those japanese game designers should be sued for serious procrastination!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jan: done. You should see a link in the navigation bar now, the one labeled &#039;Suggest A Link!&#039;. Just drop a comment there (Akismet will take care of spam) and I&#039;ll check things out. Cheers!

PS: I didn&#039;t know you were Dutch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jan: done. You should see a link in the navigation bar now, the one labeled &#8216;Suggest A Link!&#8217;. Just drop a comment there (Akismet will take care of spam) and I&#8217;ll check things out. Cheers!</p>
<p>PS: I didn&#8217;t know you were Dutch!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Oda</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Oda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I adore long sentences. But that&#039;s because I can&#039;t loose the Dutch style, even when I&#039;m writing English... So maybe you should put one multi-clausal, long-winded, over-comma-ed, unstructured, rantish sentence in per post, as a gesture towards fans ? :p

Anyways about the Bookmarked / Novelr community thing... You really should find a way for the community to suggest links, because I think &#039;This is something for Novelr&#039; at least once a week, and your contact thing doesn&#039;t allow links... 

Good luck with your new style, but frankly I&#039;m mostly glad you&#039;re back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adore long sentences. But that&#8217;s because I can&#8217;t loose the Dutch style, even when I&#8217;m writing English&#8230; So maybe you should put one multi-clausal, long-winded, over-comma-ed, unstructured, rantish sentence in per post, as a gesture towards fans ? :p</p>
<p>Anyways about the Bookmarked / Novelr community thing&#8230; You really should find a way for the community to suggest links, because I think &#8216;This is something for Novelr&#8217; at least once a week, and your contact thing doesn&#8217;t allow links&#8230; </p>
<p>Good luck with your new style, but frankly I&#8217;m mostly glad you&#8217;re back.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 07:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael: thanks. This post was really just me trying to loosen up. I&#039;ve forgotten how to do that, along with many other things (like getting that bloody pen of mine to cut. Those. Sentences. Short.) And, don&#039;t worry - I never really was that funny anyways. ;-)

@Clare: This post was supposed to be funny! (nods to Michael from here)

@Sonja: I think all of do that, really. But I was looking through Novelr&#039;s archives and I realize that my past articles, before taking the study break, were snappier and easier to understand. I&#039;m trying to work my way back to that.

@Greg: Yessuh. Duly noted. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael: thanks. This post was really just me trying to loosen up. I&#8217;ve forgotten how to do that, along with many other things (like getting that bloody pen of mine to cut. Those. Sentences. Short.) And, don&#8217;t worry &#8211; I never really was that funny anyways. ;-)</p>
<p>@Clare: This post was supposed to be funny! (nods to Michael from here)</p>
<p>@Sonja: I think all of do that, really. But I was looking through Novelr&#8217;s archives and I realize that my past articles, before taking the study break, were snappier and easier to understand. I&#8217;m trying to work my way back to that.</p>
<p>@Greg: Yessuh. Duly noted. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bulmash</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/05/21/too-many-commas/comment-page-1#comment-3364</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bulmash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short paragraphs are awesome.  Short, direct, active sentences rock.  But brevity is the means to an end, not the end itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short paragraphs are awesome.  Short, direct, active sentences rock.  But brevity is the means to an end, not the end itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t beat yourself up too much.  You&#039;re still finding your voice, which is always an adventure.

Well, sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t beat yourself up too much.  You&#8217;re still finding your voice, which is always an adventure.</p>
<p>Well, sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare K. R. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare K. R. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, I can beat somebody over the head with grammar?! Excellent.

I look forward to your new and improved writing. Can&#039;t say I noticed any problems specifically at the time, but I&#039;m sure shorter sentences will make the articles easier to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, I can beat somebody over the head with grammar?! Excellent.</p>
<p>I look forward to your new and improved writing. Can&#8217;t say I noticed any problems specifically at the time, but I&#8217;m sure shorter sentences will make the articles easier to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rogus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rogus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate.  Overly long sentences is a problem I am constantly wrestling with.  I wish you luck on changing your habits.

On the subject of trying to be funny...please no.  Just be natural, conversational and informative and if that happens to be funny more power to you.  Nothing takes me out of an article more than someone TRYING to be funny.

But what do I know?  Do what makes writing enjoyable for you.  Just wanted to drop my two cents in the bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate.  Overly long sentences is a problem I am constantly wrestling with.  I wish you luck on changing your habits.</p>
<p>On the subject of trying to be funny&#8230;please no.  Just be natural, conversational and informative and if that happens to be funny more power to you.  Nothing takes me out of an article more than someone TRYING to be funny.</p>
<p>But what do I know?  Do what makes writing enjoyable for you.  Just wanted to drop my two cents in the bucket.</p>
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