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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/10/12/why-collectives-need-a-focus/comment-page-1#comment-3912</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By branding, or building a label/stable, where resources are pooled, the advertising base could be bigger. Things like online youtube trailers, conventions, tshirts and merchandise would become more possible.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly it. Aside from the fact you have more bodies (without, like you say, losing your flexibility and focus) to get the word out, you have a wider skill-set. Not everyone can make videos, design T-shitrs, put together an e-newsletter, project manage a book launch, netwok, write and disseminate press releases, AND schmooze editors - even if they DID have the time. Put 20 people together and the chances are at least one of you will be able to do each of those things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By branding, or building a label/stable, where resources are pooled, the advertising base could be bigger. Things like online youtube trailers, conventions, tshirts and merchandise would become more possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly it. Aside from the fact you have more bodies (without, like you say, losing your flexibility and focus) to get the word out, you have a wider skill-set. Not everyone can make videos, design T-shitrs, put together an e-newsletter, project manage a book launch, netwok, write and disseminate press releases, AND schmooze editors &#8211; even if they DID have the time. Put 20 people together and the chances are at least one of you will be able to do each of those things.</p>
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		<title>By: G.S. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.S. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli -- I&#039;m kind of glad I didn&#039;t write that article I was thinking of now. ;)

I think that writers need to tap into the collective, collaborative power of the internet more.  By branding, or building a label/stable, where resources are pooled, the advertising base could be bigger.  Things like online youtube trailers, conventions, tshirts and merchandise would become more possible. 

Banding together and acting like a small-publishing house (operating with very little overhead) would allow us to accomplish more, and faster, than working as independents, but we&#039;d still be free of the traditional publishing paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli &#8212; I&#8217;m kind of glad I didn&#8217;t write that article I was thinking of now. ;)</p>
<p>I think that writers need to tap into the collective, collaborative power of the internet more.  By branding, or building a label/stable, where resources are pooled, the advertising base could be bigger.  Things like online youtube trailers, conventions, tshirts and merchandise would become more possible. </p>
<p>Banding together and acting like a small-publishing house (operating with very little overhead) would allow us to accomplish more, and faster, than working as independents, but we&#8217;d still be free of the traditional publishing paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s essentially kevin Kelley&#039;s 1,000 true fans isn&#039;t it? And I have to say I think he&#039;s 100% right.

I DO think you can blend group and individual - that&#039;s what were starting to do with our blog - I want us to be like the Beat Poets, the Abstract Expressionists, or Andy&#039;s Factory - people love the group, but theyhave their favourites. A rather less highbrow analogy would be a boyband :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s essentially kevin Kelley&#8217;s 1,000 true fans isn&#8217;t it? And I have to say I think he&#8217;s 100% right.</p>
<p>I DO think you can blend group and individual &#8211; that&#8217;s what were starting to do with our blog &#8211; I want us to be like the Beat Poets, the Abstract Expressionists, or Andy&#8217;s Factory &#8211; people love the group, but theyhave their favourites. A rather less highbrow analogy would be a boyband :p</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t want to sound authoritarian or philistine, but being well-known and trusted is almost as high as anything else – if we give someone the password to the website and the right to use our name we’re taking a heck of a risk – our name is the one thing we really have, and one rotten apple could ruin it for all of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That strikes me as particularly true. I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ve heard of it, but there&#039;s this idea making rounds recently, that in order to survive, as a publisher, you&#039;ve got to built up a core audience the way magazines have for the past four decades or so. Find the readers first, and then find the words they want. They&#039;re attached to your brand the way people are attached to, say, The New Yorker (in that they know what content they&#039;re getting), or ... if we look at a publishing house: McSweeney&#039;s. 

Of course, the problem with collective brand over authorial brand would be that - as individual writers - you can&#039;t build up a community clustered around yourself as much as you might be able to, had you been writing alone. But I guess that&#039;s all a matter of balance, and perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t want to sound authoritarian or philistine, but being well-known and trusted is almost as high as anything else – if we give someone the password to the website and the right to use our name we’re taking a heck of a risk – our name is the one thing we really have, and one rotten apple could ruin it for all of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>That strikes me as particularly true. I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ve heard of it, but there&#8217;s this idea making rounds recently, that in order to survive, as a publisher, you&#8217;ve got to built up a core audience the way magazines have for the past four decades or so. Find the readers first, and then find the words they want. They&#8217;re attached to your brand the way people are attached to, say, The New Yorker (in that they know what content they&#8217;re getting), or &#8230; if we look at a publishing house: McSweeney&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Of course, the problem with collective brand over authorial brand would be that &#8211; as individual writers &#8211; you can&#8217;t build up a community clustered around yourself as much as you might be able to, had you been writing alone. But I guess that&#8217;s all a matter of balance, and perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, now there&#039;s a question. Originally we stumbled into existence. 20 is a perfect number I think, but obviously people come and go (those in the rugby playing world will understand the metaphor of the rolling maul). The criteria for entry are quite stringent. I don&#039;t want to sound authoritarian or philistine, but being well-known and trusted is almost as high as anything else - if we give someone the password to the website and the right to use our name we&#039;re taking a heck of a risk - our name is the one thing we really have, and one rotten apple could ruin it for all of us.

The other criteria, especially now we are drawing from a bigger pool and have a wider choice, are that people&#039;s work really tightly fits the contemporary fiction, urban indie niche; that they share our values as expressed in the manifesto; and probably more and more taht they are doing interesting things online so as to expand our reach, and make it a more exciting place to be. Oh, and being absolutely drop-dead brilliant is a prerequisite.

Two more answers: we are not currently looking for new members - we just added a new tranche. But if people are interested in joining us in the future that&#039;s great - and (I had a long discussion on this with Richard Nash about his Cursor group over at: http://loudpoet.com/2009/09/29/6qs-richard-eoin-nash-social-publisher ) although we do not have and never will have an inner and outer circle - that&#039;s just patronising - we are all as happy to promote the work of people outside YZ as we are those inside.

Selection - we&#039;d like to perpetuate the myth that we&#039;re a mysterious cabalistic sect. In fact what happens is one of us says &quot;have you seen x, y, or z! They&#039;re amazing!&quot; and next time we&#039;re looking for members I invite them in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, now there&#8217;s a question. Originally we stumbled into existence. 20 is a perfect number I think, but obviously people come and go (those in the rugby playing world will understand the metaphor of the rolling maul). The criteria for entry are quite stringent. I don&#8217;t want to sound authoritarian or philistine, but being well-known and trusted is almost as high as anything else &#8211; if we give someone the password to the website and the right to use our name we&#8217;re taking a heck of a risk &#8211; our name is the one thing we really have, and one rotten apple could ruin it for all of us.</p>
<p>The other criteria, especially now we are drawing from a bigger pool and have a wider choice, are that people&#8217;s work really tightly fits the contemporary fiction, urban indie niche; that they share our values as expressed in the manifesto; and probably more and more taht they are doing interesting things online so as to expand our reach, and make it a more exciting place to be. Oh, and being absolutely drop-dead brilliant is a prerequisite.</p>
<p>Two more answers: we are not currently looking for new members &#8211; we just added a new tranche. But if people are interested in joining us in the future that&#8217;s great &#8211; and (I had a long discussion on this with Richard Nash about his Cursor group over at: <a href="http://loudpoet.com/2009/09/29/6qs-richard-eoin-nash-social-publisher" rel="nofollow">http://loudpoet.com/2009/09/29/6qs-richard-eoin-nash-social-publisher</a> ) although we do not have and never will have an inner and outer circle &#8211; that&#8217;s just patronising &#8211; we are all as happy to promote the work of people outside YZ as we are those inside.</p>
<p>Selection &#8211; we&#8217;d like to perpetuate the myth that we&#8217;re a mysterious cabalistic sect. In fact what happens is one of us says &#8220;have you seen x, y, or z! They&#8217;re amazing!&#8221; and next time we&#8217;re looking for members I invite them in.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question, Dan: can anyone join Year Zero, or do your writers first have to be screened to be sure they fit with the manifesto? And if you do (and I believe you do - it&#039;s only logical to do so) who does the picking? How do you decide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question, Dan: can anyone join Year Zero, or do your writers first have to be screened to be sure they fit with the manifesto? And if you do (and I believe you do &#8211; it&#8217;s only logical to do so) who does the picking? How do you decide?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2009/10/12/why-collectives-need-a-focus/comment-page-1#comment-3896</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for hosting me. I look forward to answering any and all questions :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for hosting me. I look forward to answering any and all questions :-)</p>
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