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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/04/09/why-editors-are-important/comment-page-1#comment-4980</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyt: I liked your analogy about the mechanic, and, yes - I agree that editors (the right types, at least) can be awesome to work with. I think this effect doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be a &#039;professional&#039; editor - anybody who&#039;s willing to sit down with your writing and constantly suggest improvements, over the course of editing your book - is probably going to help you in some way or other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyt: I liked your analogy about the mechanic, and, yes &#8211; I agree that editors (the right types, at least) can be awesome to work with. I think this effect doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be a &#8216;professional&#8217; editor &#8211; anybody who&#8217;s willing to sit down with your writing and constantly suggest improvements, over the course of editing your book &#8211; is probably going to help you in some way or other.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Houghton</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/04/09/why-editors-are-important/comment-page-1#comment-4974</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 02:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eli: Yes credibility is a big problem and that&#039;s one thing that the traditional process brings.  Looking forward to that post

@Kyt: You raise a good point, they are like good mechanics.  The amount of patience you require to become a good one too.  Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eli: Yes credibility is a big problem and that&#8217;s one thing that the traditional process brings.  Looking forward to that post</p>
<p>@Kyt: You raise a good point, they are like good mechanics.  The amount of patience you require to become a good one too.  Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyt Dotson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyt Dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must throw in right behind @Chris. Editors are still absolutely necessary for the writing industry. While writers may provide the stone, editors will still remain the refinement of the otherwise rough and raw. An editor can spend time studying the audience, industry, and positioning of a story than a writer can—it lets the writer spend time growing and cultivating the story. Equally, I am less interested in having someone totally modify what I’ve written out from under me and having someone to show me how to increase the clarity of my narrative for my audience.

And to agree wholeheartedly with @Luke. Every time I’ve worked with an editor I’ve learned a heaptonne about the entire process of storytelling and that’s the way that I’d like to see it. Every time I’ve worked hand-and-hand with a good editor (and they’re like mechanics!—a good one is worth more than gold) I’ve not only come out the other side with a better novel overall, but a stunning, deep-seated confidence in my own ability to write something more challenging for my next project.

Our Internet fans and audience certainly guide and focus our direction; but a good editor who can communicate the mechanics and fabric of the art will leave an author with a better story to tell next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must throw in right behind @Chris. Editors are still absolutely necessary for the writing industry. While writers may provide the stone, editors will still remain the refinement of the otherwise rough and raw. An editor can spend time studying the audience, industry, and positioning of a story than a writer can—it lets the writer spend time growing and cultivating the story. Equally, I am less interested in having someone totally modify what I’ve written out from under me and having someone to show me how to increase the clarity of my narrative for my audience.</p>
<p>And to agree wholeheartedly with @Luke. Every time I’ve worked with an editor I’ve learned a heaptonne about the entire process of storytelling and that’s the way that I’d like to see it. Every time I’ve worked hand-and-hand with a good editor (and they’re like mechanics!—a good one is worth more than gold) I’ve not only come out the other side with a better novel overall, but a stunning, deep-seated confidence in my own ability to write something more challenging for my next project.</p>
<p>Our Internet fans and audience certainly guide and focus our direction; but a good editor who can communicate the mechanics and fabric of the art will leave an author with a better story to tell next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/04/09/why-editors-are-important/comment-page-1#comment-4970</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Luke: thanks for reading. To be honest, I&#039;m now wondering if the shift is likely to happen as fast as we say it would. I know for certain that the publishing industry will change to favour writers (and so: freeing editors to take up editing in a more mentoring capacity) - but what I&#039;m not so certain about is if this would happen within the next year or so.

There still appears to be a barrier to credibility in web fiction. I&#039;ll talk more about this tomorrow; am starting to worry about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luke: thanks for reading. To be honest, I&#8217;m now wondering if the shift is likely to happen as fast as we say it would. I know for certain that the publishing industry will change to favour writers (and so: freeing editors to take up editing in a more mentoring capacity) &#8211; but what I&#8217;m not so certain about is if this would happen within the next year or so.</p>
<p>There still appears to be a barrier to credibility in web fiction. I&#8217;ll talk more about this tomorrow; am starting to worry about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Houghton</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/04/09/why-editors-are-important/comment-page-1#comment-4969</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 

I agree with your comments around needing editors in a more mentoring capacity.   From the academic side I have found editors useful when they shift from gatekeeper, to mentoring.  Now we have agents who are gatekeepers (how the hell did that happen).  A real, honest to goodness &#039;editor&#039;, is someone who brings the best out in a work, from my very limited experience!  I have heard of agents shaping work and getting it ready to sell but on the whole it&#039;s more a meat market mentality.  I used to follow an agent who said authors shouldn&#039;t expect to make a living at writing while running a blog on how he made a living as an agent.  

I think this strikes at the heart of your argument.  What role do editors play in helping authors to write better and be able to make a living from writing.  They don&#039;t.  They filter out everything else because of poor distribution models and a desire to create the next bestseller.  When you only cater to that end of the market, there can be no other alternative but to try and make things marketable.  Hopefully the re-interest in web fiction will help to flatten out the distribution and open up new and interesting ways for editors and authors to participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I agree with your comments around needing editors in a more mentoring capacity.   From the academic side I have found editors useful when they shift from gatekeeper, to mentoring.  Now we have agents who are gatekeepers (how the hell did that happen).  A real, honest to goodness &#8216;editor&#8217;, is someone who brings the best out in a work, from my very limited experience!  I have heard of agents shaping work and getting it ready to sell but on the whole it&#8217;s more a meat market mentality.  I used to follow an agent who said authors shouldn&#8217;t expect to make a living at writing while running a blog on how he made a living as an agent.  </p>
<p>I think this strikes at the heart of your argument.  What role do editors play in helping authors to write better and be able to make a living from writing.  They don&#8217;t.  They filter out everything else because of poor distribution models and a desire to create the next bestseller.  When you only cater to that end of the market, there can be no other alternative but to try and make things marketable.  Hopefully the re-interest in web fiction will help to flatten out the distribution and open up new and interesting ways for editors and authors to participate.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: Indeed. And I must note that you don&#039;t need a grammatical editor to help you with your fiction - for the large part, you&#039;ve got your audience to do that for you.

@Miladysa: =)

@MCM: My hope is that as soon as editors and their loyalties shift to favour the writer, we&#039;d be better off, and not at the brutal mercy of a particularly nasty editor, so willing to destroy your story for the sake of &#039;marketability&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Indeed. And I must note that you don&#8217;t need a grammatical editor to help you with your fiction &#8211; for the large part, you&#8217;ve got your audience to do that for you.</p>
<p>@Miladysa: =)</p>
<p>@MCM: My hope is that as soon as editors and their loyalties shift to favour the writer, we&#8217;d be better off, and not at the brutal mercy of a particularly nasty editor, so willing to destroy your story for the sake of &#8216;marketability&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: MCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My new post today syncs up with yours very nicely, I think.  The problem with modern editors is they&#039;re encased in a big, stupid machine that makes them pompous without foundation, and they&#039;ve largely stopped doing what they&#039;re meant to be doing.  In screenwriting, I have worked with story editors (the closest equivalent) who helped me mature as a writer in a more focused and intelligent way than I could have otherwise.  That was their job.  I don&#039;t see the same kind of role in the publishing industry, which scares me.  It could be they&#039;re buried too deep in their respective companies, but even THAT is a problem.

I do agree, though, that in the future, the ACTUAL editors will break out and start taking control of the literary landscape.  And in the process, you&#039;ll get to see what editors are actual editors, and which ones are just self-important blowhards who happened to find themselves working for a book company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My new post today syncs up with yours very nicely, I think.  The problem with modern editors is they&#8217;re encased in a big, stupid machine that makes them pompous without foundation, and they&#8217;ve largely stopped doing what they&#8217;re meant to be doing.  In screenwriting, I have worked with story editors (the closest equivalent) who helped me mature as a writer in a more focused and intelligent way than I could have otherwise.  That was their job.  I don&#8217;t see the same kind of role in the publishing industry, which scares me.  It could be they&#8217;re buried too deep in their respective companies, but even THAT is a problem.</p>
<p>I do agree, though, that in the future, the ACTUAL editors will break out and start taking control of the literary landscape.  And in the process, you&#8217;ll get to see what editors are actual editors, and which ones are just self-important blowhards who happened to find themselves working for a book company.</p>
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		<title>By: Miladysa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miladysa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absobloominglutely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absobloominglutely!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Poirier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Poirier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good editors are invaluable to writers -- they tell you the things you don&#039;t want to hear.  They point out where your ego or lack of skill got the better of your story.  

I don&#039;t need an editor to tell me to change a word.  That&#039;s not better, that&#039;s just different.  I need an editor to tell me when an entire chapter or character just isn&#039;t working.  That&#039;s what a good editor does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good editors are invaluable to writers &#8212; they tell you the things you don&#8217;t want to hear.  They point out where your ego or lack of skill got the better of your story.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need an editor to tell me to change a word.  That&#8217;s not better, that&#8217;s just different.  I need an editor to tell me when an entire chapter or character just isn&#8217;t working.  That&#8217;s what a good editor does.</p>
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