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		<title>By: Alternatim</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/10/27/leaving-the-book-behind/comment-page-1#comment-6731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alternatim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are some really far out examples of electronic literature: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/10/electronic-literatur.html

...but, I too am partial to the browser. That&#039;s how I&#039;ve chosen to present my own book, The Future History of Travel, in good &#039;ole familiar blog format, check it out: http://gotoofareast.com/tfhot.

I think the page turning effect is a nostalgic now, but it may seem archaic later. Sort of how folders are starting to feel obsolete in the age of modular computing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some really far out examples of electronic literature: <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/10/electronic-literatur.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/10/electronic-literatur.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;but, I too am partial to the browser. That&#8217;s how I&#8217;ve chosen to present my own book, The Future History of Travel, in good &#8216;ole familiar blog format, check it out: <a href="http://gotoofareast.com/tfhot" rel="nofollow">http://gotoofareast.com/tfhot</a>.</p>
<p>I think the page turning effect is a nostalgic now, but it may seem archaic later. Sort of how folders are starting to feel obsolete in the age of modular computing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/10/27/leaving-the-book-behind/comment-page-1#comment-6236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note: all bowerbird comments are now to be marked as spam. See http://www.gnutenberg.de/pgtei/0.5/examples/bowerbird/poo.html for more information.

bowerbird is a troll; stay clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: all bowerbird comments are now to be marked as spam. See <a href="http://www.gnutenberg.de/pgtei/0.5/examples/bowerbird/poo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnutenberg.de/pgtei/0.5/examples/bowerbird/poo.html</a> for more information.</p>
<p>bowerbird is a troll; stay clear.</p>
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		<title>By: P Dugan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Dugan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the &quot;we&#039;ll see&quot;.

It makes me want to test my theories in the real world. Have some guts and put my money where my mouth is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the &#8220;we&#8217;ll see&#8221;.</p>
<p>It makes me want to test my theories in the real world. Have some guts and put my money where my mouth is.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/10/27/leaving-the-book-behind/comment-page-1#comment-6231</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re right. Or if you&#039;re wrong. Or if we&#039;re both wrong. 

You must understand - I &lt;em&gt;am&lt;/em&gt; interested in what you have to say (my bet too is that we&#039;ll have to have a mobile app for this web fiction thing, parallel to whatever browser-based reading component we have). But I come from a place where I can actually implement the things I&#039;m talking about - I just fire up an editor, and I code out an implementation, and then I run some tests. I&#039;ve been talking about these things for four years now, and I realize that while that has gotten me closer to the truth, it hasn&#039;t gotten me &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; close. And it&#039;s wasted quite a bit of time.

So while it&#039;s an attractive option to argue with you - I&#039;d much rather go code it out, and see what happens. You could be right, I don&#039;t know. We&#039;ll have to see.

There&#039;s also the fact I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re coming from. I mean, there&#039;s no link in your name that I can follow - but you sound like a smart guy. Do you have projects you can show us, or that we can talk about? Do you data to back up your claims? Or perhaps some code that&#039;s lying around in a github repository?

Talk is cheap. Hence the we&#039;ll see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re right. Or if you&#8217;re wrong. Or if we&#8217;re both wrong. </p>
<p>You must understand &#8211; I <em>am</em> interested in what you have to say (my bet too is that we&#8217;ll have to have a mobile app for this web fiction thing, parallel to whatever browser-based reading component we have). But I come from a place where I can actually implement the things I&#8217;m talking about &#8211; I just fire up an editor, and I code out an implementation, and then I run some tests. I&#8217;ve been talking about these things for four years now, and I realize that while that has gotten me closer to the truth, it hasn&#8217;t gotten me <em>that</em> close. And it&#8217;s wasted quite a bit of time.</p>
<p>So while it&#8217;s an attractive option to argue with you &#8211; I&#8217;d much rather go code it out, and see what happens. You could be right, I don&#8217;t know. We&#8217;ll have to see.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the fact I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re coming from. I mean, there&#8217;s no link in your name that I can follow &#8211; but you sound like a smart guy. Do you have projects you can show us, or that we can talk about? Do you data to back up your claims? Or perhaps some code that&#8217;s lying around in a github repository?</p>
<p>Talk is cheap. Hence the we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ll see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli James</title>
		<link>http://www.novelr.com/2010/10/27/leaving-the-book-behind/comment-page-1#comment-6227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bowerbird: Are books in the browsers necessary? Brewster Kahle made a longer argument, but that&#039;s in &lt;a href=&quot;http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/books-in-browsers-keynote-speech-by-brewster-kahle/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video form&lt;/a&gt;, so here&#039;s Craig Mod&#039;s: http://craigmod.com/satellite/open_ebooks/

And as for all your other arguments: thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts. But you&#039;re at Novelr right now. We&#039;ve had 4 years worth of experience in making the book work in a web page. So ... we&#039;ll see.

@John: I think the mobile reading environment is served pretty well by the current slew of eReaders, to be honest. What it&#039;s lacking - and a lot of smart people are thinking about this and working on it; see James Bridle&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://booktwo.org/notebook/openbookmarks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Bookmarks&lt;/a&gt; project - is an inability to aggregate the experience, or to give life to the comments and notes in the margins of a book. The current ebook community calls this &#039;marginalia&#039;. 

@P Dugan: I like saying this, because there&#039;s so little we know: we&#039;ll see. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bowerbird: Are books in the browsers necessary? Brewster Kahle made a longer argument, but that&#8217;s in <a href="http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/books-in-browsers-keynote-speech-by-brewster-kahle/" rel="nofollow">video form</a>, so here&#8217;s Craig Mod&#8217;s: <a href="http://craigmod.com/satellite/open_ebooks/" rel="nofollow">http://craigmod.com/satellite/open_ebooks/</a></p>
<p>And as for all your other arguments: thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts. But you&#8217;re at Novelr right now. We&#8217;ve had 4 years worth of experience in making the book work in a web page. So &#8230; we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>@John: I think the mobile reading environment is served pretty well by the current slew of eReaders, to be honest. What it&#8217;s lacking &#8211; and a lot of smart people are thinking about this and working on it; see James Bridle&#8217;s <a href="http://booktwo.org/notebook/openbookmarks/" rel="nofollow">Open Bookmarks</a> project &#8211; is an inability to aggregate the experience, or to give life to the comments and notes in the margins of a book. The current ebook community calls this &#8216;marginalia&#8217;. </p>
<p>@P Dugan: I like saying this, because there&#8217;s so little we know: we&#8217;ll see. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: P Dugan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Dugan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re on to something.

Stone tablets --&gt; temple/church walls --&gt; scrolls --&gt; books (novels)... --&gt; browser???

Not really the same thing and begging different forms of writing since each &quot;writing surface&quot; is physically different. I&#039;ve been considering &quot;ebooks&quot; not books at all and especially not novels. They are something else that requires a different form of writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re on to something.</p>
<p>Stone tablets &#8211;&gt; temple/church walls &#8211;&gt; scrolls &#8211;&gt; books (novels)&#8230; &#8211;&gt; browser???</p>
<p>Not really the same thing and begging different forms of writing since each &#8220;writing surface&#8221; is physically different. I&#8217;ve been considering &#8220;ebooks&#8221; not books at all and especially not novels. They are something else that requires a different form of writing.</p>
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		<title>By: John Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Maxwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for saying all this. The page-turners inside web pages always seem like the wrong direction to me.

Look at Instapaper and like-minded tools. They&#039;re aiming at making the content more visible, and they don&#039;t need page-swiping effects to do so.

Interestingly, Instapaper on an iPhone is pretty much an identical reading experience to Kobo, Kindle, Stanza, etc. At 3.5 inches, you simply can&#039;t have too much container showing.

But you&#039;re absolutely right... the mobile reading environment seems poised for an innovative idea that will take it forward... we haven&#039;t quite seen it yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for saying all this. The page-turners inside web pages always seem like the wrong direction to me.</p>
<p>Look at Instapaper and like-minded tools. They&#8217;re aiming at making the content more visible, and they don&#8217;t need page-swiping effects to do so.</p>
<p>Interestingly, Instapaper on an iPhone is pretty much an identical reading experience to Kobo, Kindle, Stanza, etc. At 3.5 inches, you simply can&#8217;t have too much container showing.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re absolutely right&#8230; the mobile reading environment seems poised for an innovative idea that will take it forward&#8230; we haven&#8217;t quite seen it yet.</p>
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